In this conversation, Andy Ramage and William Porter discuss their personal journeys to sobriety and the impact of alcohol on mental health and sleep.

They highlight the misconception that alcohol is a relaxant when, in fact, it disrupts sleep and causes anxiety. They emphasize the lack of awareness and cultural blind spot surrounding the negative effects of alcohol.

The conversation also touches on the classification of alcohol as a human carcinogen.

Overall, the discussion aims to raise awareness and promote a shift in societal perspectives on alcohol.

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