In this episode of the Business of Church hosts and GoodtoGive Founders Des Stewart and Cory Belfon along with guests Pastor Timothy Ramsay and Prophet Phil Vermeulen delve into the benefits and challenges of church collaboration, examining successful conference elements, and the need for a systematic approach to unifying churches. They also discuss practical ideas on developing a framework that could revolutionise how churches operate collectively.

00:00:00 Intro
00:02:49 Pastor Timothy Ramsay's journey in ministry
00:06:28 Prophet Phil Vermeulen's journey in ministry
00:09:51 How Pastor Timothy Ramsay and Prophet Phil Vermeulen met
00:10:56 Connection and friendship between Pastor Timothy Ramsay and Prophet Phil Vermeulen
00:10:56 Pastor Timothy Ramsay describes his experience transitioning from a systematic church to a more free-flowing one.
00:11:26 Discussion about the different formats of church services and the preference for interactive teaching.
00:12:38 The importance of having structure and freedom in church services.
00:14:15 Pastor Timothy Ramsay shares a powerful experience with a praying man named Doctor Ranley.
00:15:23 Prophet Phil Vermeulen explains the importance of order and freedom in church services.
00:16:44 Reflecting on pivotal moments in life that shaped their current paths.
00:18:04 Pastor Timothy Ramsay's decision to leave his successful rap group and pursue Bible school.
00:19:55 Prophet Phil Vermeulen's choice to leave professional football and attend Bible college.
00:21:36 The impact of these decisions on their lives and the absence of regrets.
00:23:59 Unity is about being unified in thought, vision, and the gospel
00:26:21 The church is currently underdeveloped in unity
00:27:32 The church's divisions create opportunities for different needs
00:28:20 Clash between authenticity of doctrine and societal changes
00:29:14 Doctrine should be interpreted and applied to today's needs
00:30:30 Literalism and traditions can hinder unity
00:31:43 Primary and secondary issues should be distinguished
00:32:45 Proximity and discerning the Lord's body can bring unity
00:36:07 Jesus modeled unity by being accessible and engaging with people
00:37:26 Having deacons and a team is essential for a scalable church experience.
00:38:23 Emphasising the importance of unity and empowerment within the church family.
00:39:23 Discussing the concept of leadership conferences and empowering leaders in various fields.
00:40:50 Hosting a joint service and exploring the possibility of church unification.
00:43:09 Considering the benefits of joining forces with other churches for sustainability.
00:45:32 Challenges faced by churches in terms of finances and the need for a unified approach.
00:46:14 Exploring the untapped potential of unifying churches and applying business principles.
00:47:07 The importance of humility and unity within church leadership for effective impact.
00:49:19 Discussing the need for maturity and sustainability in church growth and expansion.
00:50:25 The importance of economics and adaptability in the church
00:51:49 Exploring new models for churches beyond traditional structures
00:52:59 The cultural differences in resource sharing and community support
00:54:00 The significance of centralised worship and its impact on the community
00:56:15 The church's role in training, entrepreneurship, and leadership development
00:57:18 The importance of making a decision and finding a way to achieve goals
00:58:03 The potential impact of churches pooling their resources and working together
00:59:31 The need for structure and fleshing out the vision
1:00:16 The importance of stewarding wealth and embracing diverse expressions
1:03:09 The example leaders must set in working together for the benefit of the church
1:04:16 The challenges of growing a church organically
1:05:49 The importance of investment in building and infrastructure
1:07:01 The need for examples and blueprints for church growth
1:08:38 Meeting the needs of the younger generation


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