The “billions of pounds” required for Labour’s plans to decarbonise the economy refers to business investment, the party said after Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer sparred over leaked comments from a shadow minister.

At the final head-to-head leaders’ debate on Wednesday, Rishi Sunak pointed to a media report that the shadow chief secretary to the treasury, Darren Jones, had said Labour’s net-zero plans would cost “hundreds of billions”, but Labour said this was referring to private sector investment.

‘Not Zero’ author Ross Clark joins Talk’s Julia-Hartley-Brewer to discuss this further.

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