In this video I respond to Joe Heschmeyer on whether Origen affirmed praying to the saints.

See Jeremy Treat's excellent book on the atonement: https://www.amazon.com/Atonement-Intr...

See My Apologies' comments on the debate:    • Prayer to the Saints - Is it in Orige...  

My initial video on praying to the saints:    • Praying to the Saints: A Protestant C...  
Joe's first rebuttal:    • Does Devotion to Mary Draw Us Away fr...  
Joe's second rebuttal:    • Debunking the "Pagan" Roots of Marian...  
My Response to Joe:    • Praying to the Saints? No, Origen is ...  
Joe's Rejoinder:    • Why Origen Believed in Intercessory P...  

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00:00 Introduction
01:19 Framing the Disagreement
04:52 (1) Prayers FOR US vs Prayers TO THEM
13:09 (2) The Four Kinds of Prayer
31:32 (3) Earthly vs. Heavenly Communication
36:14 Concerns of Misrepresentation