"...the United States did not give satisfactory assurance in relation to Julian being able to rely on constitutional protections for freedom of speech " - Stella Assange on the decision made by the courts to allow Julian Assange to appeal his extradition to the United States.

This episode originally aired in December of 2023. We bring it to you again, in light of the appeal decision.

Jarrad Hope, co-founder of Logos, sits down with Stella Assange – lawyer, human rights defender, and wife of Julian Assange – for an in depth conversation about Wikileaks, Julian Assange, and the role technology has played in shaping the global socio-political landscape. Stella talks about her experience working on Julian Assange's legal team, her introduction to new technologies including Bitcoin, and the current surveillance state that has emerged since the rise of the open internet.

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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Introductions - Stella’s background, Apartheid, politics, the arts, Julian Assange legal team
6:35 Motivations of joining and studying law and politics – Idealism, justice, society
10:35 Growing up in the coming of age of the internet – Wikileaks, Iraq War Logs, new journalism
12:30 Jarrad’s inspirations – International Subversives Magazine, Cypherpunk Mailing lists, more
14:00 The US prosecution against Julian Assange – a political test, and failure of the justice system
18:20 Information asymmetry, Edward Snowden, and the movement towards open information
20:15 Wikileaks grew out of a culture in which the government should be open
25:50 Jarrad’s journey into civil libertarianism and building Logos
29:00 Carrying on the torch of Ethereum – building censorship resistant cyber states
31:20 Stella’s introduction to crypto by Julian – 2011 meeting with Google about Bitcoin
34:35 Bitcoin is the real Occupy Wall Street – How cryptography can make a real world impact
37:00 Preserving reality as the tools to manipulate it become more powerful
39:55 Social media censorship and Wikileaks adoption of BTC
42:00 Arab Spring, Wikileaks utility in Tunisia, Egypt and around the world
45:15 Crypto and the need for alternative system, communities, and modes of organising
50:30 A dangerous, post-state system and surveillance capitalism
54:50 Underlying causes for a shift in behavior and the “War on Terror”
59:00 What does Julian Assange case mean for journalism, activism, liberties, and human rights
1:12:40 An update on Julian Assange’s precarious legal situation
1:20:10 Free Speech, activism, and the course the world has taken since Julian's imprisonment.