Paul Keating is one Australia’s most intriguing, controversial and reforming political figures. Kerry O’Brien is among our most experienced and incisive political journalists.

In this fast-moving conversation, Keating dives into his relationships with US leaders, British monarchs and their silverware; the pleasures of acupuncture and classical music; Keating's assessments of past and present Liberal leaders; the need for a treaty with Australia's Aboriginal nations; and the former prime minister's evaluations of his own political legacy.